Comments on: The Rumor Mill: Gimp 2.6 in July? http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/ A videopodcast about the free graphics program Gimp Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:15:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: David gowers http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-5248 David gowers Sat, 24 May 2008 15:03:29 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-5248 Another exciting thing that will be in 2.6 (and the next 2.5 release) is the hybrid polygon/free select tool! It is truly a thing of beauty, the way you can edit it as you go, easily rotate or scale any freehand section by moving an endpoint, or edit a polygonal segment just by moving an endpoint -- and no longer requiring the entire selection to be completed in one stroke is also great! It might be an interesting topic to cover as part of a future show. Anyone who is curious, also, I strongly recommend you get a SVN checkout of the latest GIMP and try it! It's worth the effort. Another exciting thing that will be in 2.6 (and the next 2.5 release) is the hybrid polygon/free select tool! It is truly a thing of beauty, the way you can edit it as you go, easily rotate or scale any freehand section by moving an endpoint, or edit a polygonal segment just by moving an endpoint — and no longer requiring the entire selection to be completed in one stroke is also great! It might be an interesting topic to cover as part of a future show.

Anyone who is curious, also, I strongly recommend you get a SVN checkout of the latest GIMP and try it! It’s worth the effort.

]]> By: Rolf http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-5195 Rolf Tue, 20 May 2008 16:17:42 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-5195 GEGL is in 2.5 - so it will be in 2.6. The main work done in the way to 2.6 is integrating GEGL - not extending the functionality. GEGL is in 2.5 - so it will be in 2.6. The main work done in the way to 2.6 is integrating GEGL - not extending the functionality.

]]> By: andotyjazz http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-5191 andotyjazz Tue, 20 May 2008 15:28:39 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-5191 This is really exciting specially if GEGL will be integrated! Would it be possible for the GEGL to be integrated on 2.6? This is really exciting specially if GEGL will be integrated! Would it be possible for the GEGL to be integrated on 2.6?

]]> By: Rolf http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-4937 Rolf Wed, 14 May 2008 16:01:24 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-4937 Why that? Just have the tools window next to the image - like I do in the podcast. Why that? Just have the tools window next to the image - like I do in the podcast.

]]> By: Bob Kovacs http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-4926 Bob Kovacs Wed, 14 May 2008 13:28:37 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-4926 That I have to constantly minimize and maximize the tools windows when I edit. That I have to constantly minimize and maximize the tools windows when I edit.

]]> By: Rolf http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-4879 Rolf Tue, 13 May 2008 20:38:28 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-4879 There is an ongoing discussion about the user interface. It will improve, but it will not become a copy of Photoshop. What is your biggest complaint? Except that it is different, of course.... ;-) There is an ongoing discussion about the user interface. It will improve, but it will not become a copy of Photoshop.

What is your biggest complaint? Except that it is different, of course…. ;-)

]]> By: Bob Kovacs http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-4856 Bob Kovacs Tue, 13 May 2008 14:25:03 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-4856 So when is the user interface going to change?. This is one of the major complaints of Gimp vs Photoshop CS3. So when is the user interface going to change?. This is one of the major complaints of Gimp vs Photoshop CS3.

]]> By: David gowers http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-3877 David gowers Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:40:50 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-3877 Most paint programs / picture processors do not correct for gamma, which in most pictures is 2.2. This means, for example, that intensity #128 is not actually halfway between 0 and 255 in brightness -- #186 is the intensity that is halfway between 0 and 255 brightness. When performing color correction and adjustment, absence of gamma-correction can result in burntout highlights, unreasonable degradation of smooth gradients, and uneven darkening. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction for details) If you use levels, curves, etc.. color adjustment tools, you will find that with GEGL (as used in GIMP 2.5+) the result is significantly better, because gamma correction is properly performed. For this reason, I recommend that you try 2.6 when it comes out. I assure you that gamma-corrected operation makes MUCH more sense and is far easier to obtain a predictable and pleasant result with. To be fair, as Alexandre mentioned once, it is currently slow. If GEGL-based scaling is implemented before 2.6, then also, scaling down will preserve details better, without the characteristic slight darkening around the edges that betrays non-gamma-corrected scaling. Lastly, work is being done on reducing UI footprint, which is good news for people with small screens or many docks. It's certainly worth trying. Most paint programs / picture processors do not correct for gamma, which in most pictures is 2.2. This means, for example, that intensity #128 is not actually halfway between 0 and 255 in brightness — #186 is the intensity that is halfway between 0 and 255 brightness. When performing color correction and adjustment, absence of gamma-correction can result in burntout highlights, unreasonable degradation of smooth gradients, and uneven darkening.
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction for details)

If you use levels, curves, etc.. color adjustment tools, you will find that with GEGL (as used in GIMP 2.5+) the result is significantly better, because gamma correction is properly performed.

For this reason, I recommend that you try 2.6 when it comes out.
I assure you that gamma-corrected operation makes MUCH more sense and is far easier to obtain a predictable and pleasant result with. To be fair, as Alexandre mentioned once, it is currently slow.

If GEGL-based scaling is implemented before 2.6, then also, scaling down will preserve details better, without the characteristic slight darkening around the edges that betrays non-gamma-corrected scaling.

Lastly, work is being done on reducing UI footprint, which is good news for people with small screens or many docks.

It’s certainly worth trying.

]]> By: Max http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-3874 Max Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:13:17 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-3874 Hm, somehow I don't understand the excitement about 2.6 - as already said, most of the changes are under the hood. I don't know if I will even upgrade. Hm, somehow I don’t understand the excitement about 2.6 - as already said, most of the changes are under the hood. I don’t know if I will even upgrade.

]]> By: Rolf http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-3850 Rolf Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:11:56 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-3850 I have played with 2.5.0 - not much new to discover. Most of the stuff seems to be happening under the hood. I have played with 2.5.0 - not much new to discover. Most of the stuff seems to be happening under the hood.

]]> By: jeffegg2 http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-3847 jeffegg2 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:25:49 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-3847 2nd Wow! Even an unstable release would be fun to play with!!! 2nd Wow! Even an unstable release would be fun to play with!!!

]]> By: Serge Gielkens http://meetthegimp.org/the-rumor-mill-gimp-26-in-july/#comment-3845 Serge Gielkens Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:23:16 +0000 http://meetthegimp.org/?p=202#comment-3845 Wow, that's exciting news. It will become difficult to keep up with their pace ;-) Keeping fingers crossed. Wow, that’s exciting news. It will become difficult to keep up with their pace ;-) Keeping fingers crossed.

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